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re_alignment2012-11-12 02:35 am
4_toteachus) wrote in re_alignment2012-11-12 02:35 am
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[It's been a while since Four's done some information gathering! And this is a topic he knows most here are well aware of. He doesn't write it out right away however, he takes the time to think about it, since he's personally aware that it's a sensitive topic.]
War is an unavoidable part of humanity, in the sense that it seems that those who are sentient have trouble avoiding it. Conflicting ideals come together and creates something that harms everyone, it is how most civilizations are built. When I first saw war with my own eyes, I thought it was the most terrible monster I've ever seen. This much hasn't changed for me. I have mentioned before that it's the purpose of me and my twin to gather information related to humanity, and to one day understand it.
Knowing why and when a war starts and finishes is one thing. Understanding is another, and I believe I'm starting to understand. There's still a lot I don't know however.
Can anyone explain war to me?
What is it like from your point of view?
If someone values life, how can they fight in a war?
War is an unavoidable part of humanity, in the sense that it seems that those who are sentient have trouble avoiding it. Conflicting ideals come together and creates something that harms everyone, it is how most civilizations are built. When I first saw war with my own eyes, I thought it was the most terrible monster I've ever seen. This much hasn't changed for me. I have mentioned before that it's the purpose of me and my twin to gather information related to humanity, and to one day understand it.
Knowing why and when a war starts and finishes is one thing. Understanding is another, and I believe I'm starting to understand. There's still a lot I don't know however.
Can anyone explain war to me?
What is it like from your point of view?
If someone values life, how can they fight in a war?
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To answer your last question: it depends on which "side" you ask. But usually it has to do with either protecting and preserving or evolving and changing. Or, again, a mix of both or neither at all.
[sigh] War has usually very basic roots and explanations, but then emotions and ulterior motives and power come into play as they are wont to do and things just get ridiculously messy.
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[At least, Drift doesn't.]
Sometimes you fight because the cause you're fighting for means more to you than your own life.
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[He shifts a bit, fully believing what he's saying but, well...war still sucks.]
It's not fun, it's never fun...but sometimes it's all you have left.
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[Jetfire's frowning faintly, optics slightly dim as he thinks.] You have at least two sides, each of which is strong enough, at least initially, to realise their part, and as long as neither is defeated nor can agree, you have war.
In the simplest of terms and reaction-action patterns, war simply means one party was attacked, whatever the underlying reason, and the other party defended theselves. No one would simply accept taking lethal force without attempting to keep alive.
[He shakes his helm, looking away for a moment.]
If I didn't value life, I'd stand aside and let others fight it, Four. The war has touched other planets, or even those of our species that didn't want to be involved. Many of us feel we have at least attempt to hep protect those who would otherwise be affected.
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I have some friends who'd argue the 'unavoidable' part, but I'm not sure.
Guess the best way to explain it is that war is a misunderstanding. People get blinded by what they want so bad that they don't care who they hurt to get it. Sometimes it's whole countries. Sometimes it's the world.
And there are those who know this, so they wait for a misunderstanding to sell them the weapons to make wars. Those kind of people don't care which side wins or loses, just as long as they get something out of it. Sometimes they hurt people to use them. Those people are the worst.
War is horrible...I'm sorry you had to go through it. No one should.
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...but one can fight because they value life, and because others do not. If they did not fight...even more life would be lost.
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What's your experience with war?
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So war is a selfish act?
Ah, weapon merchants. Those who thrive on war and grow stronger and more profitable because of it. It's sad that such people exist...
I watched war from the outside, and I've seen what it does. It's because of a big misunderstanding that my world was ultimately destroyed.
[Audio]
People like to say they go to war for the right reasons...but it's all the same, anyway.
I'm really sorry to hear that. Wish my friends and I could have helped save it.
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What do you mean? Can you explain please?
But the loss of life is still the loss of life, isnn't it?
[Voice]
To do nothing is to allow this to happen.
Sometimes, to save life...you must fight, you must destroy those who would destroy far more were they left unopposed.
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I honestly cannot understand why anyone would want to threaten life to begin with.
[Text]
I see.
Do you think War can be avoided by civilizations if they tried? Or do you think that it's an inevitability?
Is it worth the damage done in the end, win or lose?
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That sounds almost noble.
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... And no, not really. At least, from where I come from. After the dust settled, it felt like nothing really changed. Just got worse. Efforts were being made to unite Autobots and Decepticons at the time, but of course, that is a task that will take many, many years.
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It comes with sacrifice, but those who choose to rise up will feel it's worth.
Or the fear of destruction arises.