thxforthememories: (Since when did waffles fly?)
Kagerou | BP-500X ([personal profile] thxforthememories) wrote in [community profile] re_alignment2012-08-16 08:12 pm

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[Surprise. A video feed from the local recluse. Bird-ninja. Robot. Anyway.]

[After a certain conversation with someone who will remain nameless, certain concerns have arisen.]

[... Never mind he's sitting in a medbay, hooked up to a generator, no. There are far more important things to consider than that.]


When you refuel... where do you put it? [After a beat, he clarifies.] Those of you who weren't made by humans.

Do you drink it? Or... do something else?

[THIS IS IMPORTANT OKAY. For friendship purposes.]
angleofscience: (srs scientist stare)

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[personal profile] angleofscience 2012-08-22 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Not really, especially as I don't think most of us plan to stay if it at all will be possible to leave at some point. The differece here, I'd surmise, is that whereas the method for new sparks to enter the world would already exist elsewhere, here... it doesn't.

[Shh, Kagerou, friendship will fix everything, right??]

No, not really, no. When the frame is injured enough, the spark extinguishes - traditionally it's said to return to Primus, but there's no evidence of such an event taking place... We do know that enough damage to the frame makes the spark unable to stay anchored, however.

[Jetfire falls silent for a full klik, frowning. This was... well.]

... Perhaps. But how a human-made A.I would interact with a cybertronian spark would be an issue... as well as if your frames would support and not reject a spark chamber, which would be necessary to install if it was possible.

[This is, however, surgery and science on a level he's not sure he'd be willing to experiment with. If something went wrong...]
angleofscience: (agnostic scientist - disregard no angles)

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[personal profile] angleofscience 2012-08-23 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't seen yet anyone who's planning on not leaving, no, but it might happen. [From what he knows... or can infer, perhaps he should be one of said individuals who wouldn't want to leave, but that... would disrupt the flow of things, wouldn't it? Or potentially so, anyway.

He can't have that on his conscience.]


Mmm, well. While it might be, the lack of pretty much anything I'd consider part of our usual civilization here, presently anyway, would suggest it hasn't come into being yet. Or it might be, and simply not active yet.

Otherwise we should be meeting cybertronians native to this reality beyond these Firstforged.

[Jetfire nods, pausing thoughtfully.]

Seems so. It does take a large amount of damage to make our frames non-viable for a spark; even seemingly lethal damage can usually be repaired... unless the spark chamber itself is directly damaged, or the processor is.

[At Kagerou's reaction to his hesitant speculation, Jetfire feels... somewhat bad. Not sure why, and he's still not sure he'd condone it to be done, but...]

Perhaps, perhaps not. The risks involved in finding out would make me advise against it, and compability issues would still be very real.
angleofscience: (... wait a moment - can't we not fight?)

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[personal profile] angleofscience 2012-08-24 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
[He nods, certainly able to understand the sentiment, even if there hasn't been much chance to give promises of any type anywhere recently.]

It seems so; I was given indications that there had been some where before all of us who recently and are continuing to, arriving through the Lambda, but those came here as we did. Only our hosts belong to this reality as far as I can determine.

[only insofar as this Cybertron is obviously not yet really ready to support an actual population, their presence nonwithstanding. Actually... Jetfire frowns thoughtfully as he considers the fact that this is a very large pointer towards none of this being planned... By the Firstforged at least.]

Curiously so, though in other ways extremely dissimilar, since humans seems to be, besides their organic existence itself, very... fragile creatures.

[And there's nothing he can really say other than frown at Kagerou's curling up on himself, though it is concerning.]
angleofscience: (agnostic scientist - disregard no angles)

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[personal profile] angleofscience 2012-08-24 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
[Jetfire smiles slightly and shakes his helm.]

This planet, while another version of my own is still home, and while young... No, I don't think there would be. Since it's not truly ready to be inhabited yet, it would make sense that whatever brings sparks in to this world isn't active yet to do so.

When it is, there will come others besides our hosts, but they will most definitely look similar... Though smaller, I would believe. As I think is obvious, our usual height is not close to even the shortest of the Firstforged.

[It could also be that Jetfire isn't very good at doing good explanations. He tends to be long-winded and complicated about it, instead of simple, after all.]

Especially as small as they are; we can inadvertently injure or kill even with a simple lapse of attention... [He lets a vent go with slight more force than usual. He hadn't really considered this at all when he and the minibots had planned their fight with Sunstorm, but he realized now that the humans on the construction site where Bumblebee (unintentionally) had gone down could have been severely injured.]

It doesn't make their presence here any better, as Cybertron is not made for them, not as Earth is... and even there they die easily.
angleofscience: (science science science!)

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[personal profile] angleofscience 2012-08-24 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Not... precisely. I would rather posit that every individual universe is on its own timeframe, and while, perhaps, time can run differently between different realities, it could simply be that this universe is, on a wider, objective multiversal scale was created later than the ones each of us come from.

[We shall really hope you can get the bottom line out from that, Kagerou as while Jetfire talks, looking somewhat off-screen, he's... not at all aware this might end up hard to follow.]

Mmm, yes, I did. At least the one in whose... er, "temple" I have a room. Those I arrived with woke up out on the Junk Pile, not in the temples, and our hosts came to collect us personally.

[Neither is. Both are. Life isn't quantifiable, even with concern of relative fragility or ease of repair.]

Yes. It's something of a worry, especially as we lack many of the supplies and resources and knowledge to not just make their lives comfortable, but as safe as it can be here.

Not that I would doubt any Ratchet's ability to pick up the necessary knowledge, but still... ah. [Finally focusing back onto the screen and Kagerou, Jetfire shakes his helm.]

I haven't noticed any severe or lethal situations yet for them, so none have been gravely injured yet. That doesn't mean it couldn't... won't, happen however.